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SKILGANNON END-GAME STATEMENTS

GM: Andy Scott [EGS]
Started: 20 August, 2005
Finished: 1 July, 2006 (Autumn 1911)
Result: two way draw between Austria and Italy

CountryPlayer0102030405060708091011Result
AustriaAlvaro Iribarrem556776779911Drew
EnglandJohn Kowchak54210000000Anarchy(A04)
FranceDamian Earle56789109108109Survived
GermanyGreg Pierce56566565532Survived
ItalyRichard Hucknall44667789111111/Drew
RussiaBrian May55755643111Survived
TurkeyCory Larson44110000000Eliminated (A06)

GERMANY (Greg Pierce)

Germany:
Well, here is a collection of all my thoughts to Andy as the game progressed (sorry for the length!), with some additional comments in []
Spring 1901
Hello again! Looks like a interesting set up... Brian (May, Russia) and I are currently playing in a variant game called Maharajah (set in India 1500s)... It's a fun variant and he and I are allies... I'm not sure if we'll be able to work so smoothly together, as Russia and Germany are tough to match well and still both profit. I guess we'll see. : )
Spring 1901 #2
Not much from the French and good communication with England... Russia seems friendly for the moment, so I believe a slight change in orders is required... This may go badly, but I guess we'll see. : )
Fall 1901
I wasn't expecting to get into Burgundy! Hopefully England is on the level and we're off to the races...
Spring 1902
I should have listened to England and gone for Marseilles... Ah well, best not to be the leader too early! ; ) [In my orders, I supported France to Paris in order to not have any bounces. England apparently mistook that as breaking the deal with him and turned against me!]
Spring 1902 #2
It seems that England has dropped of the radar, so I'm trying to patch things up with France just in case... Austria has been trying to get everyone to play the way he sees it, so the move to Tyrolia should shake him up a bit. ; ) I'll try and start something in the press department as well.
Fall 1902
It seems that the tables have turned against me... England did jump back in bed with France as I suspected. Maybe I can hold for a bit, but I'm a bit disappointed that Russia left Sweden open... [I made some arrangements with France to have him force me from Burgundy and start to work with England. This started our great complete and utter lack of any trust in each other. Every time we thought that we would make an agreement, neither of us would hold to it. Well, until the end when I had no choice otherwise, that is...]
Spring 1903 #2
Not sure what's going on with my army in the east, but it's making for interesting conversations... ; )
Spring 1904
I have no idea where this game is going... I have my exam coming up on the 30th. After that, I should be able to get a better handle on things. (hopefully ; )
Fall 1904
I was hoping that France would bounce in Munich, but now I'm committed to a war with Russia... Ah well, I suppose there's always time later to reopen the negotiations.
Fall 1904 #2
Well, I think I'll be a bit more bold... I'm not sure what'll happen, but I figure I might as well takes me chances... : )
Spring 1905
Pretty silent out there.... With the approach of the holidays, I'm not sure which way I'll go... Should be interesting either way, non? : )
Spring 1905 #2
The lines of communication seem to have been jammed with Yule tide distractions... Very quiet. Italy's the only one chatting with me, so I'll go with that. May be a bad career move, but at least it's better than silence! ; )
Fall 1905
Man, I'm having a tough time getting back into it after the holidays... : (
Fall 1905#2
I've decided to be a little selfish, as I'm probably going to be forced into giving up Sweden anyway... I guess we'll see what happens. ; )
Spring 1906
Austria has pulled into his shell and France is trying to get me to stop my westward ways, but if he had supported me to the North Sea like I asked him to a long time ago, this could very well be a very different game! ; )
Fall 1906
I wasn't really that surprised that France ended up in Ruhr... Figures... ; )
Fall 1906 #2
Seems the lines are drawn. ...or at least they others are doing a good job of masking their intent! : )
Spring 1907
Well, that was completely botched... : ( I think that was my biggest miscommunication error (that wasn't a stab) ever... I think I'm not going to be able to recover from this. Ah well, gotta keep fighting... [In this instance, I asked Russia to cover the North Sea, meaning "attack there with your unit supported" and he took it as "support my unit in the North Sea". Very bad, as this gave France the North Sea and was the end of our influence in the game for Russia and I (well, coupled with Italy's stab of Russia with Austria ; ).]
Fall 1907
Things are degrading quickly... France is breathing down my neck, Italy and Austria are joining up, Italy believes he has Russia's proxy and Russia wants me to try and get a deal going with France to go against AI... And as always, me stuck in the middle... All of this while I have to try and study for my exam next Monday! ; )
Spring 1908
Well, I'm using the quotes again... : ( [referring to the fact that my provisional orders were a couple of days before the adjudication!] Real life has been asserting itself to the fullest these last few weeks, making negotiations a tough thing to get to! Hopefully, I'm over the hump!
Fall 1908
I think I'll lose a friend in Russia, but I think France might still be bluffed for a season... I guess we'll see how the diploming goes this season. [referring to the firming up of the AGI alliance]
Spring 1909
Not so good for me, but France is not going to have an easy time of it if he continues to ignore Italy (unless Italy and he are allied... hrm...)
Fall 1909
Things are somewhat stable, but I'm not liking this... Although, I might be able to out last France with him losing at least two this year... (Hopefully, he doesn't take more than one from me! ; )
Fall 1909 #2
Very quiet... Too, quiet! Hence the change in orders to reflect my healthy paranoia... ; ) [Which turned out to be valid, as Austria was taking a shot at Berlin that I managed to bounce him on!]
Spring 1910
Here we are, 1910, and I'm still around! : ) Should be interesting to see if France comes back or not...
Spring 1910 #2
Finally some good discussions with France! I guess we'll see if it leads to survival or not... ; ) [as I was referring to earlier, it does, but only barely!]
Fall 1910
Well, seems that I've settled in here... Might as well make myself comfy (so long as France doesn't double cross me! ; ). [Which, he does!]
Spring 1911
Well, it just gets easier and easier to write up these orders... [Referring to the fact that I'm losing units at an alarming rate!] Although, I don't think France will be too happy with the disbands I ordered! ; ) [I kept my fleets to continue to assist Italy (my one and only "friend" on the field]
Fall 1911
Well, it kind of sucks to be me right now... At least Russia has someone to support him. I think Austria and France are just itching to take me over... *sigh* ; ) [Fortunately, I was saved by the EGP vote passing! Yay!]
Well, that's my thought process through out the game in a rather large, rather bloated nutshell. Many thanks to Andy for a great game. Well run as always! Also, thanks to my fellow players for keeping it interesting. I would enjoy another game with any of you as my fellow combatant in a future game. Damian, I think we could have been a good team, if we could have gotten off on the right foot! Congratulations again to Brian on the baby!
Later,
Greg.

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ITALY (Richard Hucknall)

Italy.
I always think there's something rather unethical about 2-way draws. As far as I'm aware I have only been involved in one such result previously, and that was in a farcical game which featured five anarchies leaving myself and one opponent tussling for the solo. We played ourselves into a genuine stalemate and so agreed an honourable 17-17 result.
Of course the only other way a game can end in a 2-way draw is by player vote, and this means that some players must vote for their own defeat, or make the cardinal error of not even bothering to vote, and that is what appeared to happen in Skilgannon. Short of France or Austria going into anarchy there was no way I was going to solo in this game, and I seriously doubt that Austria and myself could have played out a genuine 17-17 draw, so a voted 2-way draw is an excellent result for me, but in reality it flatters both Alvaro and myself, and ignores the strong position that France was in. Alvaro might disagree and claim that he would have played out a 17-17 result, but I suspect he would have stabbed me for the solo once the opportunity arose. Realistically I was prepared to accept a 3-way A/F/I draw and hope that Austria would not lunge for the solo, so I am perfectly happy to accept this better result.
So for me Skilgannon was unusual in that it gave me a 2-way draw, but it was also memorable for several other reasons. After over 30 years of playing the game I finally played a successful Lepanto. I also made a major alliance switch, dumping my chosen ally in favour of a more reliable candidate, while simultaneously being forced into a stab on a previously benign neighbour in order to prevent a solo. But we run ahead of ourselves, and to set the scene we need to return to Spring 1901................
By far the most diplomatic activity in the opening season was with Alvaro's Austria. From the start he was adamant that he would open with F(Tri)-Ven. I tried everything I knew to get him to reconsider, but to no avail. He even started quoting from Richard Sharp's "The Game of Diplomacy", and anyone who knows me will understand my reaction. There is nothing worse than being faced with a player who hides behind the holy words of RS as tablets of stone. Alvaro was also very insistent that I should move against France, something that he continued to press over the opening seasons, even when I made it extremely plain that I wouldn't be doing so.
Fortunately relations with all the other players were favourable. France agreed a DMZ arrangement until A1902 (but renegotiable) and I discussed something similar with Turkey. Cory's response was rather vague, which I believed was an attempt to suggest he was agreeing to the DMZ but leaving himself free to violate it if he wished to do so. I didn't argue the point but kept it in mind for the future. Germany seemed very easy going and was prepared to accept an Italian A(Tyr) if need be, and Russia (who I really preferred to be my main ally) was also making the right noises.
When it came down to selecting my opening moves, there was nothing better on offer than a Lepanto opening coupled with the now obligatory A(Ven)-Tri. Surprise, surprise - after all the Austrian insistence, F(Tri) actually moved to Alb while A(Vie) bounced my A(Ven)-Tri. Nevertheless it was a good season with Turkey opening to Arm and with bounces over BLA and Gal. The Russian/Turkish conflict continued in A1901 and I cheered on my chosen Russian ally as he moved into Gal. Relations with Austria were still rather fragile but I took the easy option of a convoy to Tun and an unagreed bounce over Tri, but Alvaro took both Ser and Gre and began to look quite powerful.
Early in S1902 I received a rather odd email from England. He accused me of turning France against him and spreading rumours. This was all rubbish of course and I told him so. This was the France who had been attacked by Germany from the start, the same France that had just supported an English army into Bel, and a France who had just seen England build a F(Lpl). My reply was aggressive (perhaps too aggressive) and I was never to hear from him again, so I wasn't too surprised when he subsequently went into anarchy.
Once again there were lengthy emails between Alvaro and myself, where Alvaro continually urged me to move against France and to DMZ the Ven/Tri border. Once again they came to nothing, although Greg's Germany was dragged into the affair with the result that a German army actually moved from Mun to Tyr at my suggestion - perhaps the first leg of a pincer movement against France, but more likely to try and keep Austria in line. There was another stand-off over Tri (this time agreed) and my fleets slipped smoothly into EMS and ION as Austria appeared to fall in with Turkey in his war against Russia by supporting his unit into Rum.
Cory (Turkey) was not very happy that I had broken what he considered to be an ION/AEG/EMS DMZ agreement, but I explained that as far as I was concerned there never was such an agreement. Relations with Alvaro's Austria were still very rocky but I made the point that there would never be a better time for him to attack Turkey. With my Lepanto ready to hit home and distract Turkey (I left everybody guessing whether it would it be to Syr or Smy) it left Austria with an excellent chance of taking either Bul or Rum. Alvaro also had to consider just what that German A(Tyr) was up to. Unfortunately my chosen ally of Russia was making no headway in the south.
The A1902 moves saw my convoy make landfall in Syr. I had guessed correctly as Turkey defended Smy. Austria took Rum from Turkey using F(Gre) to cut the support from Bul, and not taking advantage of the Turkish support for F(Gre)-ION. That would have been disastrous. Delightfully Germany slipped his A(Tyr) into Vie. Elsewhere Germany and France seemed to be allying against England who had seemed to be playing an extremely strange game.
The German occupancy of Vie had a very useful spin-off. Alvaro offered his F(Gre) to support my F(ION)-AEG if I would agree not to attack Tri or support Germany to Tri. This suited me perfectly as I wanted to move in for a quick kill on Turkey. So the S1903 moves saw me push units into Smy and AEG, with Turkey retreating his fleet to EMS but failing to order a retreat for his A(Smy). Russia sailed into Arm and Germany retreated to Tyr. The Autumn was a fairly straight forward season with Turkey preferring to send his fleet to ION allowing me to take both Smy and Con while Austria relieved him of Bul. Russia gained both Rum and Nwy as England NMR'd.
As we entered the middle game I was in a healthy position with 6 centres. With Vie regained and control of all the Balkans except Rum, Austria held a similar number. With England disinterested at best and looking a probable drop-out, France was in an excellent position with 7 centres, but the 'chosen ally' Russia had now grown to 7 centres. Although I had the rogue Turkish fleet to contend with, it seemed that the time for the I/R alliance against Austria to show its teeth was close, although I had the fall-back option of an A/I alliance against Russia. There was also the problem that a rapidly growing France would pose.
S1904 saw the first mass battle between Austria and Russia. Austria attacked Rum with two supports while Russia defended with two supports. I sat on the sidelines, moving into Ank and preparing to hunt down the rogue Turkish fleet which had docked in Tun. It had not escaped my attention that in manoeuvring two fleets in order to regain Tun, it also gave me the option of using them later for a surprise attack on France if necessary. It was no surprise that England went into anarchy. I continued to sit on the A/R fence in A1904 as Austria gained the upper hand by taking Rum from Russia who also lost Swe to Germany in the north. I quietly added Ank to the Italian empire to offset the loss of Tun, but my fleets were poised to regain Tun in 1905.
The sting in the tail of A1904 was the Austrian build of F(Tri). It came without warning and there was no justification for it other than a declaration of war against Italy. It could have no use whatsoever in any other role and was a clear challenge to Italy. Any ideas I had of pursuing an alliance with Austria against Russia were now dead in the water, and at long last the time was ripe for a no-holds-barred alliance with my 'chosen ally' Russia against Austria. Of course Alvaro tried to explain that although this was not a misorder (misbuild?) it was an ill-considered build and he had not thought through all the implications. Whether that was true or not was of no concern. The fleet was there and had no other possible role than to pose danger to Italy.
Although Alvaro and I discussed ways we could sink the new fleet, I wasn't prepared to take any risks following such a blatantly aggressive action. I decided that my future was with Russia (the chosen one) and we began to reorganise our forces. However S1905 saw Austria forcing himself into Ukr although in turn I occupied Tyr and convinced Germany (with veiled threats regarding Mun) to look away from War and return to Boh. The Turks were evicted from Tun and retreated to WMS to threaten France for a change.
A1905 eventually saw the I/G/R alliance swing into action against Austria. Well that's should have happened but my chosen Ally Russia cocked it up. The moves we agreed would have given him a gain of Bul for a build in Mos, caused Austria to disband a unit, and guaranteed Austria lost Rum in 1906. However Brian ordered differently, obviously considering the defence of Mos to be a priority. I wouldn't have minded if he had told me that what was what he was doing, but to lead me to think otherwise and then lose the advantage was annoying, and of course Mos never came under Austrian attack. I tried to support Greg's Germany back into Vie but Alvaro defended solidly. In the north France had grown to an ominous 9 centres as England (and also Turkey) were eliminated.
As S1906 approached I had a 2 week holiday planned that would mean no communication for most of that season. Brian asked me to let him know how I had ordered so that he could fit his moves in with mine. I ordered A(Con)-Bul and F(Ank)-BLA giving him options over Rum, and told him so, and disappeared on holiday. Imagine my horror to read that Russia had ordered his F(BLA) to support my attack on Bul, only to find the support cut by my order F(Ank)-BLA of course. Doh! Another blunder by my chosen ally. However, on the bright side I finally forced an army into Tri.
Alvaro was still trying to swing me back into alliance with him but I was having none of it. I formulated a set of moves that would almost certainly give Rum to Russia and put these to Brian. However there was no reply from the chosen one! Nevertheless I ordered in that way and so did Brian, and so Austria lost Rum and Russia built A(Mos). This time it was Germany who cocked up his orders making a mess of his promised support for my attack on Vie, so my army was pushed out of Tri and I still controlled just 7 centres. France was now on 10 and had taken Mun and was pressing Germany strongly. I wasn't very happy at the way the game was going, but Spring 1907 was to prove to be one of those watershed seasons.
Once again Alvaro persisted in trying to get me to work with his Austria. My main concern now was the extremely strong French position. He had over-run England, was occupying Mun, and had the fleets necessary to push into Scandinavia and on to Stp. I was the only one who could do anything to distract him, but as long as I fought against Austria I didn't have the units to spare for a French campaign. The correspondence with Alvaro realised that there was a set of moves that virtually guaranteed Sev for me and Rum for Austria in 1907, and enabled us both to defuse the ADS/ION situation, and also allow me to move against France. There was a flurry of emails as we discussed, refined, and agreed this excellent plan, and then we put it into practice with devastating effect.
Although I had led Alvaro to believe that I wouldn't attack France until I knew that he had kept to our S1907 plans, I secretly decided to press ahead and order my fleet to WMS and army to Pie, while supporting Germany back into Mun. It all worked like a dream and Alvaro was as good as his word. I felt pangs of guilt in stabbing France, but consoled myself with the justification that had I not done so we would almost certainly be facing a French solo. Sorry Damian but it had to be done. I felt far less guilty in switching alliance away from Russia. The 'chosen one' had a track record of changing his orders without telling me, fouling up support orders, and was not the best communicator. Admittedly he had suffered server problems, but when emails did arrive they were generally brief and not very inspiring. So it was time to cut Brian loose.......
A1907 saw Sev falling to me, and Rum to Austria as planned. A new Italian fleet build gave me absolute control of the Med. with the real prospect of taking Mar and the Iberian centres in the near future. Germany was fighting back against France and had regained Mun so all was well with the world, but my Turkish/Sev enclave was looking a little detached from the rest of the Italian empire.
1908 saw a continuation of the alliance structure and happily I took Mar in the Autumn with German assistance. Austria continued to roll back Russia but France made inroads into Scandinavia against Germany and Russia. France was adjudged to have made three misorders in the Spring, and although I don't know the whole story I feel that he was very harshly treated as the orders were hardly ambiguous. Perhaps Andy will clarify just what the problem was?
1909 and 1910 saw Italy and Austria continue to make gains at the expense of France and Russia. In addition Austria also attacked Germany successfully. During this period of the game I was racked with paranoia. Although Alvaro had said he wouldn't stab me, my empire was split into two distinct chunks, and I feared that if he sensed a solo was possible that he would stab me. He was certainly growing faster than I was, and my attack on France had stalled after I took Mar, Spa, & Por. I had already calculated that I might need to order F(BLA)-Con and A(Sev)-Arm to limit the damage, and that I might just need to pull fleets back from the western side of the board.
After S1910 I agreed an uneasy peace with France and was quite prepared to maintain the status quo to achieve a 3-way A/F/I draw - which is the way the game should have really ended. However, votes were missed and instead the 2-way A/I draw was carried. As I said at the beginning, a result excluding France is a rather false result, but that is how the game will be recorded.
The Players.........
Alvaro (Austria)
Articulate, persistent, annoying, reliable and very competent. Ours was a love/hate relationship throughout the game and I would have no hesitation in meeting Alvaro again over the board, but next time I would prefer to play a pairing not as close as Italy and Austria. An excellent opponent.
Brian (Russia - The Chosen One)
Solid, boring, frustrating, short on communication, and ultimately unreliable. Perhaps that's a little unfair because Brian had communications problems. Nevertheless emails were always short and lacking in detail, and I've already explained in detail the late change of orders and foul-up over support orders that eventually caused me to switch alliances.
Damian (France)
Again I apologise for the stab - but it had to be done otherwise I'd now be writing a game-end statement to a French win. I feel that Damian had an easy ride in the early stages due to the English anarchy and the Italian DMZ agreement. My stab put a stop to that, and although we had a tactical battle for a few years we were both sensible enough to realise that we needed to make plans to stop Austria from a possible solo. His S1908 misorders and his failure to vote on the end-game proposals rather spoiled his game, and he really deserved more than just a mere survival.
Greg (Germany)
Greg was never really able to play himself into a good position. After a reasonable opening game he was playing second fiddle to France in the north, and once France had his wings clipped he found the Austrians breathing down his neck. Nevertheless he played some interesting moves with his southern excursions and I found him to be a useful and communicative ally.
Cory (Turkey)
I probably treated Cory harshly, finding and exploiting excuses to attack him. I never really got to know him very well and suspect that in different circumstances we might well have formed a strong and trusting alliance. But I will remember him as this was the very first time I have played a classic Lepanto successfully.
John (England)
Very disappointing. I had previously GM'd John to a solo so I was very surprised at his performance in this game. He made some odd moves, but made even odder accusations against me. Perhaps my response upset him, but as a used car salesman I would have expected him to be a tougher prospect and not just disappear in a sulk, which is the impression that he gave me.
And finally the GM.......
Thanks very much Andy for a fairly smooth game. I recall there was one occasion when the wrong Russian orders were adjudicated, and I had to press you to reveal exactly how Germany had misordered one season. Otherwise it was a well run game and you are one of my favourite GMs. However I would still like to know the story behind the French misorders in Spring 1908.
Thanks everybody. I'll recall 'Skilgannon' as an interesting if not outstanding game that gave me a better result than I deserved, and I'll also recall that it was.........
"Cool for cats...................................."

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RUSSIA (Brian May)

Russia.
Unfortunately Skilgannon was not my best diplomatic effort.
A number of events coincided to distract my efforts.
On the work front - a number of assignments at locations with very restricted (if any) internet facilities.
But, on the good side, the birth of a daughter who continues to provide hours of amusement and joy.
Now, as for the game, I was lucky to survive - for a large part due to poor diplomacy on my part.
Part of that was due to not being able to have timely communications with the other powers, but another part of that was my poor diplomacy (no excuse).
As Russia - I had a lot of early contacts from others wishing to ally with me. My biggest mistake was probably not chosing an initial strategy and sticking with it. But, rather than be a leader, I chose to be a follower.
AUSTRIA-HUNGARY (Alvaro Iribarrem) contacted me with too many good offers that just sounded too good to be true. They were.
I guessed at a Austrian / Turkish alliance and moved to counter it. Perhaps I could have worked with Alvaro for a better outcome? Maybe next time?
In the mean time I had been having friendly discussions with most other powers and thought I had a good chance at an alliance with Italy (Richard Hucknall).
The frustrating thing for me was that as the game progressed Italy was able to take far more advantage of this than I was. The fact that I could see this really didn't help.Turkey would not talk to me at all if I recall correctly.
So, while I tried to hold Austria in check, Italy snapped up Turkey from under my fingertips.
I had a small victory in the North and correctly guessed England's NMR but again was just a bit too late to get to take advantage of this.
Germany(Greg Pierce) and I got on well - but could never coordinate our efforts for any advantage.
My battles then became defensive. More opportunities were missed throughout the game due to my inability to intercept last minute messages and respond properly - but that's diplomacy I guess.
Toward the end I would have been happy to enter into an alliance with France and Germany - but it was too little too late.
A well deserved draw to AUSTRIA-HUNGARY (Alvaro Iribarrem) & ITALY (Richard Hucknall).
Regards
Brian May

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GM (Andy Scott)

GM.
Well having just edited Greg and Richard's mammoth EGS I don't exactly feel they've left much for me to say! :-)
I must admit that from the outset I knew Skilgannon had the potential to be a cracker and I think overall it came through. The Anarchy and subsequent greylisting of John Kowchak was really the only dark spot on the game and for me came out of nowhere, the first warning sign was a set of orders stating all units hold, then the NMR and he never responded to that adjudication so I was not surprised when he NMR'd.
To clear up the matter for Richard over Spring 1908, to put it simply, Damian used the Abbreviation Nor in the orders for three separate units. Which confused me as I was entering the orders. then I thought I had it figured out but then I wasn't sure again so went and got my self a cup of tea. Whilst doing so I had the epiphany that by definition these orders are not clear so promptly misordered the lot of them. I must admit that I prepared myself for the normal objections from the player but to his credit Damian recognised his mistake and took it on the chin, no complaint just an acknowledgment of his own mistake. Other players across dip 2000 please note this behaviour it is far preferable to some of the tantrums we GM's are forced to endure! Well done Damian.
I do feel a little sorry for Damian as Richard rightly points out it should have been a three way draw and two simple mistakes certainly cost him that and arguably a solos shot, I do know in his defence that towards the end of the game his work was causing him to concentrate less on the game then he wanted. However that has to coupled with realisation that he got the flying start down to an English Anarchy! Oh how fickle are the winds of fortune blowing this day....
The press also deserves a special mention for this game with some marvellous pieces which certainly inspired some response. Brian's marvellous Stuck in the middle with you adaptation was followed by my personal favourite of Cool for cats. I really would recommend that those who haven't go and read the Autumn 1902 and spring 1903 turns :-)))
Overall a highly entertaining game even if at times I felt I was under the GM microscope from Richard, the man is a legend amongst GM's after all!
I also feel I owe an apology for game delays due to real life, namely the birth of my daughter but also far more for the length of time it has taken me to get these EGS up. Sorry!
Congratulations again to Richard and Alvaro for the draw but also well done to Damian particulaly and also Greg and Richard for surviving in a tough game!
If any of the missing want to add theirs then they can still send it to me.
I shall look forward to meeting you all again in one capacity or another here at dip 2000.
Regards,
Andy

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